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Kay and Jay 2nd Season: The Big Sit

Last post 04-07-2009, 18:24 by sallyls. 3167 replies.
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  •  04-05-2009, 17:53 3834034 in reply to 3831687

    Re: Kay and Jay 2nd Season: The Big Sit

    5:53 p.m. Eggs alone in nest.  I assume neither parent has been in to visit the nest today?
  •  04-05-2009, 18:10 3834102 in reply to 3834034

    Re: Kay and Jay 2nd Season: The Big Sit

    No Kay, and Jay hasn't been in the nest since shortly before 8:00 this morning.

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  •  04-05-2009, 18:16 3834133 in reply to 3834102

    Re: Kay and Jay 2nd Season: The Big Sit

    I think Bob and I have both been watching all afternoon. I plan to keep an eye on the nest until about 9pm Tulsa time tonight.

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  •  04-05-2009, 18:18 3834149 in reply to 3834102

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    18:15 Two little eggs sitting in the nest. No Kay...No Jay

    It really is a grief process. I think I am in the latter stages of denial and going into the shock and disbelief stage.

    How long to they have to be gone before you technically call it abandoned. Do both parents have to have not returned to the nest for a certain length of time?


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  •  04-05-2009, 18:52 3834295 in reply to 3834149

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    Catgirl, I want to thank you for all you hard work and running around Brookside trying to keep us in touch with Kay and Jay.  I appreciate it so much.  I hope you locate Kay and that she is doing just fine. 

    We've seen more sides to nature than I really want to acknowledge. It's like watching Animal Planet only closer to home and we know the animals personally.

    Sigh.   

  •  04-05-2009, 18:59 3834328 in reply to 3834295

    Re: Kay and Jay 2nd Season: The Big Sit

    Well, if they both now have, indeed, abandoned the eggs, then we have learned that mother hawks do know when their eggs are no longer alive. Maybe poor Jay just didn't want to accept the fact, and I don't blame him.   I am so sad for them.  Sad
  •  04-05-2009, 19:38 3834519 in reply to 3834328

    Re: Kay and Jay 2nd Season: The Big Sit

    7:28pm

    Well I wasn't going yo say anymore but for the record Jay left the eggs at 7:28am that was 12 hours ago. He was last seen at 7:45am on the bar by the nest

     Catgirl saw him around 11:25am I believe. Thank you again!!

    AND TODAY was day 28 for the first egg.

    Nuf said

     


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    Tomorrow a mystery
    Today is a gift
  •  04-05-2009, 19:39 3834526 in reply to 3834328

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    Sherill, perhaps they are actually less stressed now than when Kay was so miserable and crying constantly and always apparently unhappy with Jay.  And they are free from the burden of raising chicks. They can be on hawk vacation the rest of the summer. It is us who suffer the loss most I think. I admit I gave up on them when they were left for over 4 hours a week ago, but I was trying to pretend I thought MAYBE there could be a miracle and anyway, I want to see what they do next.

    Catgirl, workaholic, camfan, whoever is on the ground there and can give us spotting reports, go for it!  We look forward eagerly to knowing how Kay and Jay do this summer and winter.  Thanks in advance!!

  •  04-05-2009, 21:10 3834961 in reply to 3834526

    Re: Kay and Jay 2nd Season: The Big Sit

    Well, I took a turn around the brookside area this afternoon late, about 430-530 and saw nothing. No hawks perched on tower, in trees, on buildings, on cell towers. Nada. However, the wind was howling like all get out, so the smart hawk would have found some protected area to hang out in, and we know Kay and Jay are smart hawks. Regular hawks appear to sit on eggs until long past when they should have hatched before they are aware there is something wrong. Kay, apparently, already figured it out. Once again they have shown their differences to other hawks. Sad as it is to us, it is also interesting to see what will happen next. This will be new territory for us that we will one day look back on amongst ourselves and say, "Hey, remember when Kay just freaked out and just up and left back in 09?" rc
  •  04-05-2009, 21:28 3835059 in reply to 3834961

    Re: Kay and Jay 2nd Season: The Big Sit

    Workaholic, according to John Blakeman, there's a very good chance that they'll be back next year. And I'm inclined to think that Kay abandoned the eggs because she wasn't getting enough food. Remember how she was constantly calling out to Jay? I think the breaking point came about when she took matters into her own hands and went out to find some prey while Jay was on the nest, and she was gone for several hours.  She may have decided that there simply wouldn't be enough to raise a family, and so she cut the brooding short.

    I have no reason to doubt what Blakeman said about whether they can tell if the eggs are viable or not. But I do think that she can sense whether the whole nest is viable.

    Anyway, that's just my 2 cents worth.

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  •  04-05-2009, 21:30 3835072 in reply to 3835059

    Re: Kay and Jay 2nd Season: The Big Sit

    Oh, I meant to thank you Workaholic for the report, by the way. It's interesting that you saw so few birds about. I think the weather contributed to the food difficulties. It certainly made hunting more difficult.

    "Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one" –– A. J. Liebling
  •  04-05-2009, 22:13 3835299 in reply to 3834526

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    sallyls:
    Sherill, perhaps they are actually less stressed now than when Kay was so miserable and crying constantly and always apparently unhappy with Jay.  And they are free from the burden of raising chicks.... It is us who suffer the loss most I think....
    Sallyls, I appreciate very much the way you put that, for it may relieve our own stress, as well. We care about the well-being of the two adults, even as we regret the apparent loss of the embryos. But that doesn't mean we choose the former over the latter. That's just the way it is, and that requires no choice for us. What we have to choose is to carry on, just as Kay and Jay instinctively will carry on.

    I'm reminded, of course, of the loss of little Spirit last spring, and then of the Riverside (NYC) redtail pair who lost their three eyasses to rat poison. Last August 11, we considered the latter in Raptor Rap postings worth recalling now. First, reference this magazine article about the Riverside loss, which sparked some Forum comment that resonates today as we reflect on the apparent failure of Kay and Jay's nest. Here is the link to that article: http://nymag.com/news/features/49126/   It is well worth the read, or re-read. now, especially this passage on the female’s removal of her dead hawklet from the nest: Did some avian version of the concept of good-bye pass through her tiny circuitry? Or just the instinct to go on? I will put this down over here. Now I will return. The result was the same, either way. She went on.

    Kay and Jay will go on. They have to, it's instinctive--remember Chinook's poem's "ancient whispers"? Faced with losses, we, too, go on. It's a puzzlement--perhaps we choose to go on, or (to shamelessly quote myself from last August) "maybe it’s for us a choice so impossible that in the end, we have to, as well....  Maybe we need to see ourselves in the hawks, our struggles in theirs, to craft the best puzzle we can. Life is a coin toss for us all, two sides to everything—gain and loss, joy and grief, breathing and not breathing. Whichever the Truth, our curious kinship is that feathered or not, instinctively or not, most of us keep on tossing--hawks, [and] hawkwatchers.... And we go on."
  •  04-05-2009, 22:31 3835399 in reply to 3835072

    Re: Kay and Jay 2nd Season: The Big Sit

    bobdmac:
    Oh, I meant to thank you Workaholic for the report, by the way. It's interesting that you saw so few birds about. I think the weather contributed to the food difficulties. It certainly made hunting more difficult.


    Thanks for looking also workaholic.  I also did a later drive by between 6-7 and did not see anything.

    Just watched the weather forecast on KJRH - no mention or live cam of the eggs.  The important thing Waldenberger did mention -  the winds were gusting to 45 mph today.
    I went by several nests today - only saw one hawk out hunting (36th&Lewis), and could only barely see the head on one peaking over the nest of the 51st&Peoria RTs.

    Hugs and thanks to all of you......
  •  04-06-2009, 7:58 3837679 in reply to 3835399

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    7:53 a.m. Eggs on the nest alone.

    Bville, thanks for those sentiments. We are all grieving, as grief is natural with any loss, at least for humans.

    Catgirl, workaholic, thanks for the drive by reports. Those of us out here will most certainly be hanging on every word of your reports out of hawk nest wtihdrawl!  I am watching out for several nests, but this one is special, probably in part because of this forum and the connection with the other watchers I have met here.

    I'll be in a out, and report if I see anything. Have a good day all. Group hug!

  •  04-06-2009, 8:24 3837711 in reply to 3837679

    Re: Kay and Jay 2nd Season: The Big Sit

    g.morning.all..close up og eggs. in for as long as the page deny access. watch cam on wmp and eggs are most definately alone now...sadly it may be next year for kay and jay to return and start over again..

    i am watching morag an tam at loch lowes...ospreys and red tail hawks in philadelphia...male just brought food to female, plucked and ready to eat.

    she took off to eat prey...male on nest duties...helps to ease loss of kay/jays eggs:(

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